Attracting Skilled Talent: Ideas for a Competitive Labor Market

BY the Editors | July 31, 2022

With candidates gaining the upper hand, how can talent acquisition leaders and their companies respond? What innovative techniques can give an employer a competitive advantage? The answers lie in what workers say is most important in choosing employers right now: better compensation, to be sure, but also personalized benefits, an inclusive environment, and a sense of social purpose. Plus: How can technology help recruiters find non-traditional candidates with potential? From Day One gathered experts for a virtual conference in January. Among the highlights:

What Makes a Company Attractive to Early-Career Talent 

Ever since she was a student, Giselle Battley, the global head of early-career talent at the commercial real-estate firm JLL, has been observing the ebbs and flows in diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) recruiting. “As an HBCU student, I saw when we were hot and we were not. The truth is, if you’re going to go out to new sources, it’s a long-term game, it’s not a short thing. You can do more damage by showing up, and never showing up again once you hit your numbers,” she said in a panel discussion on attracting early-career talent, moderated by Shana Lebowitz-Gaynor, a correspondent for Insider who covers career development and workplace culture.

As Gen Z has now entered the workforce, and will constitute up to 27% of the workforce by 2025, companies find themselves having to adapt their culture and their pitch to attract new generations. DEI appears to have solidified into an integral value for companies eager to attract early-career talent. “They want their workplace to be inclusion forward,” said Alesandra McLean, head of North American campus and early-career programs at WayfairThey want a lot of autonomy, they want to have the possibility to make an impact.”

And while the demands of early-career workers have not changed that dramatically in recent years, the attitudes did. “What changed is that you always have to stay on top,” said Battley. “Gen Z is making their demands—and DEI is at the top—and corporations have to meet those.” And these demands are more about attitudes than about specific benefits or management practices.

“I don't think we’ve seen change: the real (development) is the agility and flexibility by individuals, but not from jobs as a whole,” said Crystal Lannaman, head of talent acquisition and  university relations for the chemicals company BASF. “We created a grid to help decision-makers decide what can be in-person and what can be remote,” she said. “Being able to showcase it eliminates the risk of dividing things between haves and have nots. With the pandemic, people are really starting to assess where they want to be and why, for the greater good.”

Speakers on early talent, top row from left: moderator Shana Lebowitz Gaynor of Insider, Giselle Battley of JLL, and Tom Brunskill of Forage. Bottom row: Alexandra McLean of WayFair, Jake Burke of SkillSurvey, and Crystal Lannaman of BASF (Image by From Day One)

In addition, more companies have started offering rotational programs, both for college students and for early-career workers. BASF has a talent marketplace where, for example, a chemical engineer who wants to move into business management can take advantage of the program that allows them to test the waters in a real work environment. And while there’s a modicum of accountability, it’s less anxiety-producing than jumping into a completely new role you haven’t done before. “You have to continuously create a new and exciting experience,” said Battley. “It's incumbent on the employer to provide the experience of growth. It's an undervalued or overlooked insight.”

A candidate can possess as many notions and skills as they can muster, but often they’re unprepared for the way the interview process unfolds. Wayfair instituted workshops on interview preparedness. “We took a deep look at their recruiting funnel, where we see a big drop-off in the process. Where in our process were people slipping up?” said McLean. “The data was really what led us: we now see a lot of success in students that go through that.”

McLean sees skill-building initiatives offered by companies as more relevant than standard on-campus career fairs. Building these skills can curb early-career attrition. “Sixty percent of students said they won’t be at a job for an extended period of time, and 66% said they applied to a role mainly to improve their chances of employment,” said Tom Brunskill, the CEO and co-founder of the learning platform Forage, who observed that the company’s partner employers face a 50% to 70% attrition rate. “Retention has always been a challenge, but why is it difficult?” he pondered. “Fundamentally it comes back to this idea that our education sector is great, but does not set people up for success in terms of career. [Industries can] provide the confidence, sensibility, and so on, to bridge that gap.”

In all, employers have to do their part in being upfront with talent. In fact, the data surveyed at SkillSurvey, a talent-intelligence platform, indicated that if a student does not know where they fit in a company from a skill standpoint, it’s going to be a challenge for them to find a real match in that company. There are, for instance, eight competencies that are the most sought after by employers, said Jake Burke, SkillSurvey’s VP of sales.

“Students and early talent don't know where they stand because they’ve never been measured on these important things,” said Burke. “The No. 1 required, or preferred, competency is critical thinking. What students are really good at is equity and inclusion, but critical thinking is No. 1. Equity and inclusion is No. 8. So, what companies want is the inverse of where students are. There are these gaps between what students are bringing, or what early career talent and applicants are bringing to the table, and what employers are valuing.”

If expectations are clearly set, that’s half of the battle. “Gen Z is very pragmatic, technically nimble and entrepreneurial,” Burke continued. “We have to make sure employers’ expectations match with what was posted in the job post. If you do that well, the retention goes up, disappointment goes down.”—By Angelica Frey 

How to Expand Your Business Globally, Ethically, and Equitably (Sponsor Spotlight)

Expanding digitization of work means companies can access talent anywhere. What often stands in the way are the logistics of global expansion. For every new state, for every new country where a company wants to hire, it has to establish a presence there—legal, tax, HR, operations. So even if a company in Baltimore finds a great engineer in Bucharest, that’s not a hire they can easily make.

During From Day One’s conference, I had a one-on-one conversation with Nicole Sahin, CEO and founder of Globalization Partners, which helps companies solve this problem and expand into new states and new countries without setting up their own infrastructure in those jurisdictions. Globalization Partners acts as an employer of record, and growing businesses can hire talent through their platform.

Speaking on globalization: moderator Emily McCrary-Ruiz Esparza, at left, and Nicole Sahin, CEO and founder of Globalization Partners (Image by From Day One)

My conversation with Sahin, titled “The Democratization of Opportunity: Bringing the Dreams to the Dreamers,” addressed the effects of expansion and the obligations of companies that do so. “I always found it sad that people had to go to these really expensive communities far away from home,” said Sahin. “Now people can stay in their home community. It’s better for families, it’s better for communities, and it spreads opportunity to everyone everywhere, which is just unbelievably compelling when you think about that on a global scale.”

Don’t confuse what Sahin does with offshoring. The goal is not work at a discount, but responsible and ethical employment. “Our business model is not driven by the company’s desire for low-cost talent. It’s driven by the desire for companies to be able to access the best talent they can find, anywhere they can find it, and the elimination of geography as a core feature of that.”

Sahin has a unique perspective on what it means to help a wide range of companies hire and retain workers around the world. What it takes varies by country, but what is universal, she said, is the desire to work for a company with an inspiring mission. To that end, people are looking at sites like Glassdoor to get a sense of whether the company walks the talk.

With this in mind, expansion can be a means of supporting the local community as much as the business doing the hiring. Communities get access to more jobs, workers get access to better pay. “It’s part of our job to make sure that those employee rights are respected,” she said.

Sahin believes the person living in Montana should have the same job opportunities as the one living in Silicon Valley. And with the workforce largely in control of the job market, they’re demanding those opportunities. “Those employees are now saying, ‘I want a global salary. I’m worth as much as your employees in California, and I want to be paid accordingly.’ And if their current employer won’t give them that type of pay increase, they'll switch jobs.”

One of her goals is, indeed, to foster pay equity. “The idea is that we would build a global platform that enables companies to hire talent anywhere in the world quickly and easily, while still honoring, importantly, the employment laws in that location and making sure that people get paid the way the law is designed to protect those employees.”

Sahin is sympathetic to business leaders who are apprehensive about going global. “We always want people to carry forward our own mission. We want to make sure we hire the right person for the job and that they love and care for our own business the same way we do.”

For those on the fence, her advice is to take the leap. “It’s not easy to navigate, but it’s totally possible to navigate. And the benefits are so tremendous, of working with a truly diverse workforce that inherently comes along with building a more global team.”—By Emily McCrary-Ruiz-Esparza

Building an Inclusive Culture That Keeps People on Board–and Attracts Their Peers 

Today’s workforce is characterized by record departures, a demand for flexible work policies, and an understanding that inclusive company cultures are a priority, driving organizations to build effective strategies that address these needs to keep employees and attract new talent.

Judith Harrison is the EVP of global DEI at Weber Shandwick, a leading communications firm. In a fireside chat moderated by Sam Blum, a reporter at HR Brew, Harrison shared how her company evolved its internal strategies in response to the changing times. According to Harrison, building policies that encourage employees to stay with the company should be thought of not just from a policy perspective, but from a strategic one, too. “In the past, we had the luxury of having a little more focus on getting work done,” she said. “We worked hard to get a great culture, but we had a tremendous focus on work and not enough on work-life balance, which is huge now. We want to make sure we are giving people the support they need.”

Weber Shandwick, which operated with a 100% remote workforce during the pandemic, is moving toward a hybrid model, the goal being “work-life balance and flexibility.” Harrison acknowledged some key differences, however, when it comes to a significant demographic of the workforce: Gen Z and Millennials. “There is a sense of social responsibility and idealism that was not seen in previous generations as it relates to work,” she said. “In the past, there was no expectation that an organization would share employees’ social values or that it would stand for a particular mission or objective, but these things have changed, and Weber is looking to change with them.”

In addition, many employees desire more opportunities to stay connected with one another. “People are being hired through Zoom and managing teams they’ve never met face to face. We’ve lost something in the way we connect,” she said.  “What people are asking us for is to be proactive in ways to connect with one another. They want a sense of culture and community more than ever. They want more of an ability to build and steer their career–they want more agency.”

This led the company to move away from a dated evaluation model and begin talking about processes that cultivated careers more organically. The firm developed a “Talent Compass” to facilitate and foster customized career building, and created Juice, a program intended to address work-life balance through discounts on, and access to, premium services related to health, nutrition, fitness, and mindfulness, enabling employees to participate in multiple activities to help bring them back to a balanced sense of self for work.

Judith Harrison, the EVP of global DEI at Weber Shandwick (Photo courtesy of Weber Shandwick)

The firm found that employees were initially reluctant to separate themselves from work due to uncertainty around job security that the pandemic introduced, on top of balancing external situations regarding children, family, and housing. But it didn’t mean they weren’t experiencing growing levels of overwork as a result of the evaporated lines dividing work life and personal life. Harrison highlighted how leadership made it clear that it was okay to “not be okay,” citing herself as an example. “There have been times with all of the things going on the news and social unrest that I have been exhausted,” she said. “We really want to be sure that they understand that it’s okay to not be okay.”

When it comes to her own career, Judith shared how she got her start working in public relations. Throughout her experience in the space, she recognized glaring issues surrounding DEI that existed across the industry, not just at one company. People were not conscious about issues regarding diversity, she said, pointing to an example of a company she worked at where the HR manager decorated her office with a large Confederate flag.

After some time, she observed that things were getting better, but that co-workers were not actively working on specific areas to improve diversity. This realization inspired her to begin steering her career toward a role that equipped her to take action as it related to advancing DEI in the workplace.

The last two years, marked by significant political and civil unrest, have shed light on inequality and racism in the workplace, as well. In response, many corporations publicly pledged to enact policies to support diversity and inclusion. But when it comes to efficacy of newfound policies, Harrison asserted that companies could do better, mentioning how many organizations talk about the necessity of DEI, but fall flat when it came to taking action.

“At Weber Shandwick, we’re working to bake that into everything we do,” she said. “DEI is not HR’s job. It’s not the leadership’s job. It is everybody’s job. We want to inculcate that as part of the culture. We want to make sure that people feel supported and heard, especially people from marginalized backgrounds, who are maybe having an even more difficult time feeling seen and heard in an environment where you’'re not even seeing people in person.”

She shared the steps that her company has taken in the past couple of years aiming to further progress in DEI. The breadth of conversation and action around social issues like racism and mental health has expanded tremendously, with the company hosting regular conversations where employees are free to openly share their thoughts and personal experiences.

The organization also launched four business resource groups (BRGs),  the name being a distinction from employee resource groups (ERGs), she said, to indicate that the groups are aligned with business objectives. In addition, DEI education was introduced to employees, with biweekly classes dedicated to exploring and understanding the Black experience in America. “This is what helps people feel super connected to one another,” she said. “It creates this level of trust that I don’t think I’ve ever seen.”—By Tania Rahman


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The first question she asks to vet a new benefits platform is how it will integrate into the company’s existing tech stack; otherwise, the lift to simply implement it may be too great.“The biggest challenge is how to onboard new technology and integrate it with those existing portals related to payroll, your HR data system, and other feeds,” said Young. “Additionally, we look for ease of administration and implementation. The time and resources it takes to invest and implement new technology is high on the list.”Employers have to know that adding a new benefit or platform will be worth the time, says Devin Miller, co-founder and CEO of emergency savings platform SecureSave. The communications component alone can require a lot of time and resources, so “it has to resonate, it has to be easy to administer, and employees have to like it,” he said. “It has to be cost-effective, and then it has to be provable so that you can stand up in front of a management and say ‘this is the impact we’re having.’”Communicating With a Multigenerational Workforce“As benefits professionals, [communication] is an age-old struggle,” said Elizabeth Chappelear, North American head of strategic benefits at life sciences and biotech firm MilliporeSigma. “Employees don’t care about their benefits until they need them, so we have to make sure that when they do need it, they can find it.”Panelists agreed that the familiar challenge of communicating benefits isn’t made easier by the current makeup of the labor force. “This is the first time we’ve had five generations in our workforce, and that means different preferences,” Chappelear commented. Her team is creating home mailers at the same time they’re posting QR codes in the breakroom, hosting webinars and virtual benefit fairs, and building microsites. “We’re constantly challenging ourselves to evolve that communication to meet our employees where they are.”When Carrie Theisen revamped Fannie Mae’s benefits for the first time in more than a decade, communication was one of the first things she tackled. “I start with communication, because it’s just so critical,” said Theisen, who is the lending company’s SVP of total rewards.Theisen began by surveying all employees. She learned that more than three-quarters of employees were happy with the benefits package, but they also found that workers were requesting benefits that Fannie Mae already offered. “That told me that we had a good, solid package, but we just weren’t communicating it well.”Given the size of benefits packages now, total rewards leaders have to be marketers as well. Theisen’s strategy was to create a value proposition and a brand for their benefits, centered around a five-pillar graphic. “Then we looked to add a lot of low-cost benefits that we could implement quickly, then packaged those two things together. The new branding with the new benefits helped build excitement with employees, and it’s become a key differentiator for us.” In fact, their benefits satisfaction score went from 79% to 91% in a single year.Emily McCrary-Ruiz-Esparza moderated the conversation among benefits experts from SecureSave, MilliporeSigma, Spring Health, Fannie Mae, and Amentum (photo by From Day One)For those who need to increase uptake, an immediately applicable benefit can be an easy avenue into broader benefits engagement, said Miller. That starts to tip the scales of the equitable exchange of the benefits–you just got to get them engaged in the process, and finding a broadly based appealing program is an important first step.”Expanding Benefits to Reach an Entire WorkforceBenefits that would have been rare differentiators a decade ago–like mental healthcare access and fertility treatments–are now common features of benefits packages. What’s the next evolution?The next wave is specialized programs for high-touch conditions, says Casey Smolka, head of actuarial analytics at mental health benefits platform Spring Health. By expanding healthcare into specialized programs, employers are able to support workers with often overlooked needs. And it can still be a cost-effective addition, he said. “Everybody has a really solid therapy program, but what are you doing for substance use disorder? 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Others talked about having to forgo some popular benefits–like student loan repayment and lifestyle spending accounts–because they’re just too costly.Yet all agreed that the most impactful provisions don’t necessarily have to be budgeted for. Fannie Mae doubled its parental leave from six to 12 weeks, added caregiver leave, catastrophe leave, bereavement leave, grandparent leave, plus added more vacation time and extended flexible schedules.“People want to make more money, they want time off, they want retirement, they want good health care. Those are the table-stakes components,” said Miller. “You want to strengthen those programs, and make sure that people use them and value them, but you really need something that is going to be impactful for your organization.”Emily McCrary-Ruiz-Esparza is an independent journalist and From Day One contributing editor who writes about work, the job market, and women’s experiences in the workplace. Her work has appeared in the BBC, the Economist, the Washington Post, Quartz, Fast Company, and Digiday’s Worklife.

Emily McCrary-Ruiz-Esparza | April 10, 2024

Where to Start: Making the Workplace Inclusive of Neurodiversity

It’s estimated that 15–20% of the global population is neurodivergent in some way, and growing awareness of diagnoses has people curious. They want to learn more about the term, what it means, and how they can support people who identify that way.Neurodivergence describes so many different experiences, but generally, people who are neurodivergent process information differently than most individuals. This includes people on the autism spectrum, people with learning disabilities, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and Tourette’s syndrome.Millette Granville is the VP of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) at digital learning platform 2U. She’s seen the appetite in her company and has been pleasantly surprised by the enthusiasm. “We have over 200 employees that are actively engaged in our abilities resource network. They were really, truly ready to get started building the community. I was not as prepared for the thirst for knowledge from our people, from leaders, as well as our employees about what exactly we need to do to make sure we are supporting our employees.During From Day One’s February virtual conference on getting to the next stage of diversity and belonging, Granville and her industry colleagues gathered for a panel discussion on neurodiversity in the workplace and how they’re changing their organizations to be more inclusive of neurodiverse needs.Neurodivergence can describe so many different diagnoses, experiences, and needs. It can also be invisible. “Neurodiversity is hidden in plain sight all around us,” said Hal Lanier, client engagement leader at accessible tech company TextHelp. So how does a workplace become inclusive if the needs can be hard to identify?An Inclusive Interview ProcessSome leaders begin with the hiring process. Monica Parodi, VP of talent acquisition at The New York Times, said she’s starting at the beginning, using tools to comb their job descriptions for noninclusive language. They’re also adding details about the hiring process to the company’s career pages so candidates can prepare in advance and avoid uncomfortable surprises.The panelists discussed the topic "How Companies Are Embracing Neurodiversity in Innovative Ways" at From Day One's virtual conferenceOnce candidates get to the interview stage, they’ll see other changes. “We know that the first 30 seconds [of an interview] are really uncomfortable for a lot of people who are neurodivergent. 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Crafford uses his personal point of view to design better learning experiences, often asking himself, “how would I have to learn the material?”For instance, Crafford talks to his audience to understand their learning styles, he teaches concepts, not just rote memorization. “It’s designed to be simplified. It’s built for all learners, divergent and neurotypical. We make sure that people can interact with the information through discussions and gain others’ perspectives.”At aerospace and defense technology company Northrop Grumman, VP of talent management Jackie Reisner considers use cases when creating and evaluating skill development and training programs. Who’s going to be using it? Can you involve them in the design? Can you ask them what does and doesn’t work about the programs?Perhaps most importantly, does everyone have to complete the training in exactly the same way? Because neurodivergence represents non-traditional ways of processing information, it represents many different learning styles.“This is something that we have to be more open-minded about: there’s got to be more than one way to get to the goal,” said Reisner. When and how the training is delivered should be flexible and adaptable by the learner. The goal is that everyone learns, not that everyone completes the training in the same way.“I know from a compliance perspective, that feels challenging, because you want to just check ‘yes, everyone in my company took ethics training,’ Reisner said. “But if you can get more models, more ways people can get to that end state, then you’re going to see so much more success.”Don’t Assume, AskThe challenge for many who are neurodivergent is that they will prefer not to disclose their diagnosis at work–and others may not know they’re not neurotypical. 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A workplace that is psychologically safe is welcoming to all, neurodivergent or not.Emily McCrary-Ruiz-Esparza is a freelance journalist and From Day One contributing editor who writes about work, the job market, and women’s experiences in the workplace. Her work has appeared in the BBC, the Economist, the Washington Post, Quartz, Fast Company, and Digiday’s Worklife.

Emily McCrary-Ruiz-Esparza | March 29, 2024

How to Create and Sustain a Growth Mindset to Nurture Talent

When Dr. Mary Murphy was working on her PhD at Stanford, she was mentored by Carol S. Dweck, best-selling author of Mindset: The New Psychology of Success, a book that covers the potential of individuals. Now a social psychologist, Murphy has taken the mindset concept a step further and for over a decade has studied how the “fixed” or "growth” mindset affects not only individuals, but groups of people. Murphy discussed research from her book, Cultures of Growth: How the New Science of Mindset Can Transform Individuals, Teams, and Organizations, and how it can help teams during a fireside chat at From Day One’s March Virtual Conference.Those with a fixed mindset, Murphy says, believe in being born with skills that can’t grow any further. While those with a growth mindset believe they can learn and grow into new abilities. When talking about teams, organizations, families—there is a similar mindset culture.In a fixed mindset culture, or a “culture of genius” as Murphy called it, the focus is on the star performers. The opposite is a “culture of growth” where there is a focus on continuous learning so anyone can grow and contribute. And it’s that culture of growth that organizations need.Idea SparkIn 2005 during her PhD program, Murphy clearly recalled when this group application of mindset sparked. She was at a grad student seminar supporting a friend, where a professor voiced his opinion about what the fatal flaw of this student’s work was. Another professor chimed in and disagreed, saying the fatal flaw was something else. In essence, it was a battle of which professor was right.“I saw what it was doing to my friend,” she said. “All of a sudden, he lost focus. He wasn’t able to answer questions.” Unfortunately, the experience was so painful that months later he hadn’t continued his work.Two weeks later, in a different seminar, she witnessed something else. Rather than critiquing the students about what was wrong, the professors offered ideas on how to grow the project. The effect was clear. “The students were able to respond totally differently,” Murphy said. “They were able to actually engage in the brainstorming, answer the questions, and they left motivated to dig in.”Reflecting on those two experiences or environments, she realized how much a group can impact an outcome. The harsh approach was not motivating at all. On the other hand, the mentality of growth and how we can all contribute really turned things around for the better.Dr. Mary Murphy discussed her new book Cultures of Growth: How the New Science of Mindset Can Transform Individuals, Teams, and Organizations in a fireside chat moderated by From Day One co-founder Steve Koepp (photo by From Day One)Murphy presented the idea to her new mentor, asking what if mindset is more than just internal? What if it’s baked into culture and influences the cultivation of talent? She blinked a few times and said, “No one's ever thought of mindset this way. But we should do it together. And that began 15 years of work on reconceptualizing the mindset, as not just in our head, but also as this cultural feature.”Time to StudyNow with 75 studies in her back pocket, Murphy has seen firsthand just how deep mindset goes. Murphy and Dweck looked at the mindset of teachers and faculty members in K-12 and college and how they practice that in the classroom.“We look at how that impacts student experience. We’ve created apps that actually measure student experience in the moment looking at their sense of belonging, whether they think their teacher has a growth mindset, belief for them or not, their sense of self efficacy, their trust of the teacher.”What they found was that even if a student has a growth mindset, when set into a fixed mindset culture, they won’t have the opportunity to benefit from their growth mindset. The group trumps and stilts their progress.  In the National Study of Learning Mindsets, a randomized control trial of more than 12,000 students around the country underwent a growth mindset program to see how it would impact their grades and if they’d be willing to take challenging courses. As expected, it had a positive effect. Their GPA was higher and more of them enrolled in the challenging courses than the control group. They also looked at where the program didn’t work.“The answer was two places,” Murphy said. “It was with teachers that had more fixed mindset beliefs or engaged in fixed mindset practices, then giving students that personal growth mindset. The effect was zero. It had no impact. It wasn't even a small impact – it had no impact.”The other place it didn’t work was when peers didn’t engage in challenge seeking, then students were less likely to want to work hard. But when there were teachers and peers who relished a challenge and supported each other, the growth mindset helped students flourish.Organizational CultureWorking with companies of all shapes and sizes, Murphy saw similar results. The mindset of a team at large has a huge impact on creativity, collaboration, and innovation. In one study in particular, they looked at the difference between a psychologically safe environment and a growth minded environment. They found that psychological safety is the baseline for any other growth to take place.“Psychological safety just means that you're willing to speak up when something’s gone wrong. But growth mindset culture really is being vigilant about how to improve what you’re doing, your interactions with others, the outcomes and the strategies that you’re trying. You’re proactively looking for improvement opportunities.”In fixed mindset cultures, they search for the narrow genius prototype to come up with all the answers. When in reality, a growth culture would open up the spectrum of recruiting, looking more at positive values. As Murphy says, a growth culture helps organizations naturally look for more diversity. “What’s most important is the extent to which people are willing to develop, grow and learn.”Changing Company CultureIn her book, Murphy goes over four common mindset triggers which can help individuals understand where people are on the fixed to growth spectrum. In turn, those who work with those individuals can help them shift. For example, one trigger is praise. If someone else gets praise, how does the person react? Are they happy for them, or are they jealous, thinking they are less than? One way to help foster a growth mindset is how praise is given. Rather than a “good job!” which doesn’t offer helpful feedback, Murphy suggested managers repeat what the person has done so well, so they can replicate that and others can encourage.When Satya Nadella first came to Microsoft as CEO, he described Microsoft as everyone thinking about their own silo. He read Dweck’s book and wanted to help Microsoft become the first growth minded culture and company. Kathleen Hogan, head of talent, asked how things needed to change so they could recruit and onboard people that would help shift the company’s culture. She implemented changes, but success didn’t come right away. Some bragged they had the biggest growth mindset in the room. “She had to really talk to people about what a growth mindset actually looks like. And to bake that in to some of the incentive systems and also some of the mentoring and sponsoring and support systems so that people could take on challenges could make mistakes, and actually get points for the learning and the growth from those mistakes and the communicating of those mistakes across the company, so that the whole company can learn at the same time more rapidly.” That’s when things picked up. Slowly but surely, the culture was changing. It became okay to make mistakes, but putting out ideas and taking risks and being open to failure became the norm. And that’s how they got cloud computing. Was the culture change worth it? No doubt about it.Carrie Snider is a Phoenix-based journalist and marketing copywriter.

Carrie Snider | March 28, 2024